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July 01, 2009

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Can I have my 2 minutes back? No? Dang.

As much as I enjoy using an en-dash when appropriate, it really is clearer to just use the word “to”. At least for all the cases where I’ve had occasion to use it. I miss em-dash when I can’t get to it; not so much with en-dash.

I suppose for now we'll just have to settle for loading this page and using copy/paste on your en dash.

I'm right there with you. The inclusion of an em dash with the exclusion of an en dash was glaring to me. As a type nut, I say it depends on the metrics of the font in use as to whether the em or en dash is better for setting apart parenthetical phrases. In the case of content on the Web, and with browsers’ inability to hyphenate, I find the "space, en, space" sequence is much less prone to unappealing line breaks than the closed em dash sequence.

I love your proper use of em-dashes. You‘d be a rock star if you also used curly quotes instead of hash marks.

Ugh! I accidentally used the wrong quote mark in that previous comment.

Since you're a pedant, you'd probably like to know that the first word of the third sentence in your fourth paragraph is misspelled.

[Jeff: Thanks! Fixed it.]

In British English we generally use the space, EN dash, space combo for an interruption within a clause, as opposed to the EM dash. As an editor/proofreader, I was appalled to find it missing! If there were a petition, I'd sign it...

Actually, I think an en dash (with spaces on either side) is more properly used to indicate subtraction.

While we're nitpicking, there's actually a separate character entity for a minus sign, distinct from a hyphen:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plus_and_minus_signs#Character_codes

[Jeff responds: I've actually seen authorities on both sides of this issue as well, but thanks for raising the issue. It is interesting that there are so many "rules" on these issues and yet different people have different rules.]

There is a small workaround for this.
Neven Mrgan has posted a little iPhone web-app called Glyphboard - found at http://mrgan.com/gb/ - which, when added as a homescreen icon, is even available for offline access.
It gives you a host of useful special characters, including the missing en-dash I believe, and other things such as the Apple logo or the cmd-sign - among tons of other things!
Give it a try, it's free!

[Jeff responds: Wow, this is really cumbersome but it does seem to do the job. Very interesting.]

My guess is that most people don't know how to produce an en-dash on their computers and seeing it on their iPhones would confuse them. Hell, The only way I know to create an em-dash is to let Word—and other programs—replace the double-dash.

In some typefaces, the en-dash is actually shorter than the hyphen, which I find annoying. In any context, the difference between them is pretty subtle. Most people, of course, have no idea there's any difference at all.

However, I also think many people find em-dashes unconsciously comforting when they're used properly—and they are used much more often than they were decades ago, now that the semicolon is falling out of fashion for looking too stuffy. My suspicion on Apple's motive is that the difference between a hyphen and an em-dash is obvious enough on the iPhone keyboard if people encounter it, but that putting in an en-dash too would simply be confusing for users who aren't type nerds.

Per your second paragraph, purists will also note that the hyphen character is NOT the same as the minus character, which has a different length and vertical position. Technically the character on your keyboard next to = is called a "hyphen-minus". Note the difference:

5 − 3 = 2 (true minus)
5 - 3 = 2 (hyphen-minus)

That rant out of the way, we can continue.

With the iPhone, it's a question of simplicity. The number of iPhone users who would miss the em dash is much more than the number of iPhone users who would miss the en dash. If Apple includes the en dash, as they certainly *could*, why not also include the minus sign, or the figure dash, or the hyphenation point?

At some point it just becomes cruft and feature creep: a paradigm which is completely un-Apple. And what's the point, really? I don't see anyone clamoring for the en dash. Other than merely noting its absence, you don't make much of a point to why it SHOULD be included.

There's an iPhone webapp called Glyphboard that's just such a place-to-copy-and-paste-stuff-from: http://blog.macgeekpro.net/2009/06/glyphboard-brings-characters-to-iphone-os-3-0/

Apple's reasoning might have been that users would have too great a difficulty in distinguishing between the dash, the en-dash, and the em-dash when choosing between them, and because the en-dash is a relative rarity, it was omitted to clarify the choice.

@Jeff (in his response to Frank): It seems to me that (from the typist's perspective) there isn't really more than one side to the issue of a minus sign. One should always use the Unicode minus sign to mean a minus sign, because one should always use the character with the right semantic meaning, regardless of its specific appearance. It's the typeface designer who faces the issueshould that minus sign be made to look like a hyphen or, well, a minus sign?

There are good typographic reasons for distinguishing the minus sign. The simplest one is that it ought to visually complement the plus sign, and a hyphen (or en dash, for that matter) doesn't necessarily accomplish this, in terms of width, height of the line, weight, etc. In many fonts, a hyphen is too narrow for a proper minus sign.

Lord, what a frustrating captcha.

To deal with possible confusion among the bulk of users who don't care about hyphens, en-dashes, minuses, &c., couldn't Apple allow individual users to turn on those keys in the preferences? Those of us who want them can have them and everyone else can continue to worry about more normal things.

I wish the iPhone allowed for custom keyboard layouts, as Mac OS X does. Maybe someday...

Seriously dude, people are getting shot for democracy.

I salute your indefatigability, however.

Great to see Apple include em dashes in the OS 3.0 keyboard and great to see there's a work around for accessing other characters. However, if you're such an aficionado for typography, why are you using double spaces after full stops?

[Jeff responds: I know, the "experts" say that it isn't necessary to type two spaces after a period of a colon, but I grew up doing in that way and it just seems wrong to not do it that way. Blame my middle school typing teacher.]

“Hell, The only way I know to create an em-dash is to let Word—and other programs—replace the double-dash.”

If you’re on a Mac, just type option-hyphen for an en-dash and option-shift-hyphen for an em-dash. The Keyboard Viewer (which needs to be activated in the International System Preferences pane, then chosen from the “flag” in the menu bar) is the place to go to find out how to type everything else.

On Windows, though… no idea.

In italian it's simpler, we only use two dashes, those provided by the iPhone: "trattino corto" (the hyphen) and "trattino lungo" (the em-dash).

Of course we also have our degree of uncertainity as some people argue the real "trattino corto" should be the en-dash...

On the subject of pedantry and typographic minutiae, when I wrote my bachelor's thesis I set it in Hoefler Text in Pages on my Mac, but it annoyed me that the default em-dash in that font was a little too high.

I then discovered that the Mac OS X font panel has a "Typography" menu wherein you can choose between different glyph variants. Hoefler Text has three em-dash variants, and one of them had a slightly lower height, so I manually replaced each em-dash in my paper. When will an iPhone let me do THAT? :)

"Hyphens are used to indicate subtraction." No, en dashes indicate subtraction.

David Orgel said, "Actually, I think an en dash (with spaces on either side) is more properly used to indicate subtraction." That holds for equations, but to indicate, say, a temperature below freezing, the en dash is closed up to the number: e.g., –11 F.

Sorry, but I believe that the the rules of the evolutionary development of language (cited here http://tinyurl.com/kmydvn and here http://tinyurl.com/m9jhbw) probably also apply to punctuation. That would seem to indicate that the subtle difference between hyphens and en and em dashes is being lost and will eventually disappear.

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